Sakthisagar
10-27 09:54 AM
Yes its pretty much difficult for an Indian to arrive here and find a job. Forget about settling, many EB3s have already crossed 5-10 year mark. EB2 at least 5.
I guess he left out the point about locals moving to non-IT related fields in which the salaries are very slowly catching up to IT. These need to grow now with govt, private sector support, now that the glamour of US GC is almost non-existent for new IT graduates and almost pays back like the typical 20 year LIC policy of the 1990s I had. India has always been good in other industries like Textile, steel, cars, etc, and need to get some to world class levels.
I was going to say infrastructure is improving and things would get very good in India in 5-10 years (?) that US IT folks would seriously not find a difference in lifestyle.
But then I saw one of the recent movie hits, and saw the most stuff seemed to be incredulous, unbelievable - good songs though. I change my mind most times when I read some local news or see an occasional movie.
Is there a fundamental change in thinking needed in some areas among a vast majority? something to do with realism, acheiving quality in everything.
Corruption doesn't seem to be the only problem.
Money may not always be the primary reason for people to relocate to India. It will be an oppurtunity to experience the best quality of work, education and learning, the same reason many of us come here.
There has to be more aggressive regular benchmarking of everything with developed countries.
I guess its also a normal part of evolution to a future developed country.
India is India only... never compare it to US, and I do not think there is glamour attached to US green card, People who have the mind set of freedom and education and knowledge with a better quality of life still migrate to USA. There is no doubt about it India's economic grwoth comparing to US is really nothing. And never compare these two countries and never try to change the mind set of a whole generation, for business needs India have a unique culture, with lot of diversity. Still there is lot of poor familes (below the poverty line) in India, education has not reached the rural areas of India yet.
US economy is down and receission is meant to happen every 5 years in US some times to recover and job creation it takes longer if you read the US history and economics you will understand better. This time the open global media made it a big issue, that is about it. When the economy improves and things are better, again your so called glamour comes back. Glamour is in people's mind set, seeing movies and reading somebody else's writing. Still USA is far far better in living and social activities than in India.
I guess he left out the point about locals moving to non-IT related fields in which the salaries are very slowly catching up to IT. These need to grow now with govt, private sector support, now that the glamour of US GC is almost non-existent for new IT graduates and almost pays back like the typical 20 year LIC policy of the 1990s I had. India has always been good in other industries like Textile, steel, cars, etc, and need to get some to world class levels.
I was going to say infrastructure is improving and things would get very good in India in 5-10 years (?) that US IT folks would seriously not find a difference in lifestyle.
But then I saw one of the recent movie hits, and saw the most stuff seemed to be incredulous, unbelievable - good songs though. I change my mind most times when I read some local news or see an occasional movie.
Is there a fundamental change in thinking needed in some areas among a vast majority? something to do with realism, acheiving quality in everything.
Corruption doesn't seem to be the only problem.
Money may not always be the primary reason for people to relocate to India. It will be an oppurtunity to experience the best quality of work, education and learning, the same reason many of us come here.
There has to be more aggressive regular benchmarking of everything with developed countries.
I guess its also a normal part of evolution to a future developed country.
India is India only... never compare it to US, and I do not think there is glamour attached to US green card, People who have the mind set of freedom and education and knowledge with a better quality of life still migrate to USA. There is no doubt about it India's economic grwoth comparing to US is really nothing. And never compare these two countries and never try to change the mind set of a whole generation, for business needs India have a unique culture, with lot of diversity. Still there is lot of poor familes (below the poverty line) in India, education has not reached the rural areas of India yet.
US economy is down and receission is meant to happen every 5 years in US some times to recover and job creation it takes longer if you read the US history and economics you will understand better. This time the open global media made it a big issue, that is about it. When the economy improves and things are better, again your so called glamour comes back. Glamour is in people's mind set, seeing movies and reading somebody else's writing. Still USA is far far better in living and social activities than in India.
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sanju
09-09 11:17 AM
Hi,
I am one of the concurrent filing applicants. I filed my 140 and 485 on July 2. Can you give me a link for this memo ? Also if I invoke ac 21 do i need to file the g28 on 485 ? and what is g28 exactly for ?
In your case, to file AC-21 to change employers, you need to have approved I-140 and will have to wait for 180 days from the 485 receipt.
Just google search Yates memo pdf and you will find it. G-28 is a form that is filed to authorize a lawyer to represent you with USCIS.
I am one of the concurrent filing applicants. I filed my 140 and 485 on July 2. Can you give me a link for this memo ? Also if I invoke ac 21 do i need to file the g28 on 485 ? and what is g28 exactly for ?
In your case, to file AC-21 to change employers, you need to have approved I-140 and will have to wait for 180 days from the 485 receipt.
Just google search Yates memo pdf and you will find it. G-28 is a form that is filed to authorize a lawyer to represent you with USCIS.
smsthss
06-12 11:10 AM
Is there a link online for that???
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sandy_anand
11-06 12:02 PM
i read somewhere on this forum that for EB2-i it VB will move 6 months every year.
In this forum, all kinds of predictions have been done. The reality is unless visa recapture or CIR passes, dates will move very slowly!:mad:
In this forum, all kinds of predictions have been done. The reality is unless visa recapture or CIR passes, dates will move very slowly!:mad:
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Pineapple
12-26 04:35 PM
First of all, not everyone here is from India. Second, not everyone here is from programming/IT background. It is easy to make that assumption, but believe me, there are plenty of non-indians, or non-IT people, and even non-Indian, non-IT people here. :D
For these, what is or is not happening in Bangalore is completely irrelevant.
Second, people who are still here have already decided where they want to be. (Which is why they are on the forum in the first place). People change countries for more reasons than just following the next IT boom.
Anyway, regarding impact on opportunities here, there is a common misconception that companies have unlimited access to talent in other countries, and the only limiting factor is the quota of H1B visas.
Not true, by a long shot.
To give a simple example, our company is looking for people in Australia, Denmark, Finland, Canada and UK since the pool of qualified people in India has dried up in our field. Can anyone guess where is the biggest talent pool? Nope, not in Bangalore, its right here in USA!! Not all companies are looking for the cheapest person. They are looking for the best person. And in many cases, the best person is already here, and has gathered more experience over the years working for US companies. But they cannot hire her, simply because she is on a visa and thereby beholden to another company. If she had a GC, that would free up the talent pool and thereby make many companies less reliant on H1Bs. Increasing GCs for EB candidates has the same effect as increasing H1 quota, with the added benefit of making the cream of the crop available and reducing the uncertainty and hassle of hiring an H1.
When you outsource, you lose this talent pool which is already sitting in your backyard. You may still outsource, of course, but the most cost effective solution would be to hire the top talent already here. This is especially true in professions which do not work very well in outsourced situations, like business consulting, marketing, management etc.
This is why it is in the best interest of companies to support EB GCs.
For these, what is or is not happening in Bangalore is completely irrelevant.
Second, people who are still here have already decided where they want to be. (Which is why they are on the forum in the first place). People change countries for more reasons than just following the next IT boom.
Anyway, regarding impact on opportunities here, there is a common misconception that companies have unlimited access to talent in other countries, and the only limiting factor is the quota of H1B visas.
Not true, by a long shot.
To give a simple example, our company is looking for people in Australia, Denmark, Finland, Canada and UK since the pool of qualified people in India has dried up in our field. Can anyone guess where is the biggest talent pool? Nope, not in Bangalore, its right here in USA!! Not all companies are looking for the cheapest person. They are looking for the best person. And in many cases, the best person is already here, and has gathered more experience over the years working for US companies. But they cannot hire her, simply because she is on a visa and thereby beholden to another company. If she had a GC, that would free up the talent pool and thereby make many companies less reliant on H1Bs. Increasing GCs for EB candidates has the same effect as increasing H1 quota, with the added benefit of making the cream of the crop available and reducing the uncertainty and hassle of hiring an H1.
When you outsource, you lose this talent pool which is already sitting in your backyard. You may still outsource, of course, but the most cost effective solution would be to hire the top talent already here. This is especially true in professions which do not work very well in outsourced situations, like business consulting, marketing, management etc.
This is why it is in the best interest of companies to support EB GCs.
Macaca
09-01 10:56 AM
Macaca, what a great idea! Can you or someone approximate the figure f how much we have cntributed to SS (and better yet, how much would stop going into SS if we all left in a reverse brain drain)
H1B + GC holders pay SS + Medicare (??) for which they are entitled only after 10 years.
Look in your pay check and compare this amount with the amount you contribute to IV and the benefits from IV.
SS is a mess and so everyone loves the donations (not contributions).
Congress knows about it and may have a better # for it.
Wall Street talks about it but I started following them recently where they are talk about undocumented workers.
In order to approximate it we need the the number of H1B's and their average salary
Recently there was an article (that I posted but can not find in News Article Thread) that said the amount is ?? billion for undocumented
There may be articles that mention these #s for legals but it will include GC holders + others also. We need #s only for H1B's
If we can not find articles with #s for H1B's we should contact authors of articles (that cover legals or undocumented) to write about contribution by H1B's
You can search the wall street on line but their search engine does seem very smart and requires subscription for article access.
H1B + GC holders pay SS + Medicare (??) for which they are entitled only after 10 years.
Look in your pay check and compare this amount with the amount you contribute to IV and the benefits from IV.
SS is a mess and so everyone loves the donations (not contributions).
Congress knows about it and may have a better # for it.
Wall Street talks about it but I started following them recently where they are talk about undocumented workers.
In order to approximate it we need the the number of H1B's and their average salary
Recently there was an article (that I posted but can not find in News Article Thread) that said the amount is ?? billion for undocumented
There may be articles that mention these #s for legals but it will include GC holders + others also. We need #s only for H1B's
If we can not find articles with #s for H1B's we should contact authors of articles (that cover legals or undocumented) to write about contribution by H1B's
You can search the wall street on line but their search engine does seem very smart and requires subscription for article access.
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VivekAhuja
03-03 01:14 PM
How is money safer in your home country than it is here? That is no reason to transfer money.
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Berkeleybee
04-10 08:51 PM
Bee:
Also, as you mentioned in your post, the CFR is not a law, it is an interpretation of law made by the agencies and the agencies are free to change the applicability, extension, conditions of eligibility for EAD as they seem fit.
I'm afraid there I may disagree with you -- it is not clear that the CFR can be amended at will, or all the time, by the agencies. Most amendments to the CFR come from "public laws" such as the amendments that came about due to AC21.
(i) This discretion of the agency thing can cut both ways. According to the GAO report, http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d0620.pdf -- see page 22
"In July 2004, USCIS published an interim rule in the Federal Register that allows it more flexibility in establishing the length of validity for Employment Authorization Documents (EAD).Previously, federal regulations required USCIS to limit the time EADs were valid to 1 year for specific types of applicants who applied for employment authorization..... Although the flexibility to set the length of EAD validity is available, USCIS is currently restricting its EAD validity periods to 1 year."
So there is a great to deal to be said for forcing the hand of an agency -- as AC21 did in enabling portability, extensions of visas etc.
(ii) Plus as a matter of practical reality -- do you imagine the moving like slow molasses USCIS/DOS/DOL are more persuadable than fire and brimstone congresspeople? :)
We can certainly toss this out at our next set of meetings, and see if our fate is better served at the hands of USCIS bureaucrats than Congress.
best,
Berkeleybee
Also, as you mentioned in your post, the CFR is not a law, it is an interpretation of law made by the agencies and the agencies are free to change the applicability, extension, conditions of eligibility for EAD as they seem fit.
I'm afraid there I may disagree with you -- it is not clear that the CFR can be amended at will, or all the time, by the agencies. Most amendments to the CFR come from "public laws" such as the amendments that came about due to AC21.
(i) This discretion of the agency thing can cut both ways. According to the GAO report, http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d0620.pdf -- see page 22
"In July 2004, USCIS published an interim rule in the Federal Register that allows it more flexibility in establishing the length of validity for Employment Authorization Documents (EAD).Previously, federal regulations required USCIS to limit the time EADs were valid to 1 year for specific types of applicants who applied for employment authorization..... Although the flexibility to set the length of EAD validity is available, USCIS is currently restricting its EAD validity periods to 1 year."
So there is a great to deal to be said for forcing the hand of an agency -- as AC21 did in enabling portability, extensions of visas etc.
(ii) Plus as a matter of practical reality -- do you imagine the moving like slow molasses USCIS/DOS/DOL are more persuadable than fire and brimstone congresspeople? :)
We can certainly toss this out at our next set of meetings, and see if our fate is better served at the hands of USCIS bureaucrats than Congress.
best,
Berkeleybee
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rustamehind
08-10 10:23 AM
well you guys are the kings of jumping ahead of the line using labor substitution...how can any of us be knowledgable on the subject...contact unitednations or ppl like him who "help" the skirters of the law.
svan77: if a person posts on a forum he or she will get the opinions of members whether he/she likes it or not. all of us have our beef with labor substitors and ppl with 3 yr degrees or aptec/niit diplomas who just believe in jumping ahead of the line and have no qualms about it.
Well said yabadaba , the fact is that Desi Consulting companies have used labour sub as a carot for so long , some to the extent of selling it.And there were people who were always interested too.Many of them were not confident of clearing labour on their own credentials ( BSC Zoology, BBA, BCOM etc..) or probably wanted to jump the line.
A mistake on USCIS part too , why they allowed this malpractice for so long , even now when they have stopped it , quite a damage is already done.
svan77: if a person posts on a forum he or she will get the opinions of members whether he/she likes it or not. all of us have our beef with labor substitors and ppl with 3 yr degrees or aptec/niit diplomas who just believe in jumping ahead of the line and have no qualms about it.
Well said yabadaba , the fact is that Desi Consulting companies have used labour sub as a carot for so long , some to the extent of selling it.And there were people who were always interested too.Many of them were not confident of clearing labour on their own credentials ( BSC Zoology, BBA, BCOM etc..) or probably wanted to jump the line.
A mistake on USCIS part too , why they allowed this malpractice for so long , even now when they have stopped it , quite a damage is already done.
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TeddyKoochu
07-29 01:17 PM
The "diversity" is a celebrated argument in USA. However, it takes a backseat when doling out amnesty. And "justice" is also important, and you can't sacrifice something as important as Justice for "diversity", which is just a long-term-point-of-view concept
The original intent of the country limits may have been to regulate the system. On the ground level however country limits are actually almost denying (very long wait) retrogressed country folks their GC even if they are similarly qualified. Country limits should have no place in any merit based EB system. I hope that if the amnesty does not have any country limits in CIR atleast EB system should be freed of that, these limits are very restrictive in nature.
The original intent of the country limits may have been to regulate the system. On the ground level however country limits are actually almost denying (very long wait) retrogressed country folks their GC even if they are similarly qualified. Country limits should have no place in any merit based EB system. I hope that if the amnesty does not have any country limits in CIR atleast EB system should be freed of that, these limits are very restrictive in nature.
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helens_64
12-13 09:09 AM
In the visa bullitin, it says current for Targeted Employ-ment Areas/
Regio.nal Centers . What is that mean?. Is it only for the investor who does business in Targeted areas? or employees who works in the under served areas
Regio.nal Centers . What is that mean?. Is it only for the investor who does business in Targeted areas? or employees who works in the under served areas
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satish_hello
10-02 04:31 PM
I am still waiting for FP notice, i got my EAD/AP/RD, for both of us.
It was filed @ NSC on July 6th, ---> CSC -----> NSC. I got my LUd on 09/21 last on our 485.
- satish
It was filed @ NSC on July 6th, ---> CSC -----> NSC. I got my LUd on 09/21 last on our 485.
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gc4me
12-03 03:39 PM
I called the customer service # on 11/04 and the guy told me that he is sending email reguest for my FP and I got FP notice (my attorney's office also got one) on 11/13. Hope this helps.
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amit_p27
06-20 07:37 AM
Congratulation...
I hate to see you leaving, you need to fight for others. Who knows somebody close to you might get stuck in this mess. IF everybody leave just because they got what they need than its not fair. If you think IV has helped you in any way then each of us put some effort to help IV and its members.
Again congrates and hope you become more active in coming days.
Thanks.
Today is the next day of my GC freedom, and I am still on this forum, I didnot mean to leave the Forum, I still support IV with all my heart.......:D
I hate to see you leaving, you need to fight for others. Who knows somebody close to you might get stuck in this mess. IF everybody leave just because they got what they need than its not fair. If you think IV has helped you in any way then each of us put some effort to help IV and its members.
Again congrates and hope you become more active in coming days.
Thanks.
Today is the next day of my GC freedom, and I am still on this forum, I didnot mean to leave the Forum, I still support IV with all my heart.......:D
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boreal
08-12 10:59 AM
You can revnew your GC after an intial period of 10 years. You are at your free will and wish to remain on your GC. You will be eligible for Naturalization after 5 years. That does not mean that you have to use that oppurtunity.
yep, makes sense.
Regarding the orignal topic, even I have never heard anyone not getting citizenship because of them leaving the GC employer. Personally, I won't wait for six months or even a single day, if I see a better opportunity.
yep, makes sense.
Regarding the orignal topic, even I have never heard anyone not getting citizenship because of them leaving the GC employer. Personally, I won't wait for six months or even a single day, if I see a better opportunity.
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Pineapple
11-16 02:47 PM
Is it really against EEOC guidelines to specify US nationals or GC holders for jobs which do not require security clearance? I mean that specification is so common to job advertisements that I always assumed the law allowed that.. certainly news for me if that is not the case!
Thanks for posting this, GCwaitforever..
Thanks for posting this, GCwaitforever..
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keshtwo
08-23 02:26 PM
Just Thought
There is 200k application without 140 approval, this is including july filers.
there is lot of chnace for those who got their I-140 approved, even their PD '2006.
you can see people getting approved PD'2005 EB2 cases, even then VB says now 2004'apr for EB2.They are not processing based on PD now and in future also i gues.Since we have already filed.PD will restrict only to File I-485 in future.
I think EB2-jan2007 and EB3-Aprl2005 in October VB
- satish
Is that a guess or a wild hope? Why set up oneself for a massive disappointment just 3 weeks down the line? Mostly What AILA says will be true. However we shouldn't rule out regression for EB2ers anytime after November. It can happen. No one really understands the logic used by uscis and dos.
There is 200k application without 140 approval, this is including july filers.
there is lot of chnace for those who got their I-140 approved, even their PD '2006.
you can see people getting approved PD'2005 EB2 cases, even then VB says now 2004'apr for EB2.They are not processing based on PD now and in future also i gues.Since we have already filed.PD will restrict only to File I-485 in future.
I think EB2-jan2007 and EB3-Aprl2005 in October VB
- satish
Is that a guess or a wild hope? Why set up oneself for a massive disappointment just 3 weeks down the line? Mostly What AILA says will be true. However we shouldn't rule out regression for EB2ers anytime after November. It can happen. No one really understands the logic used by uscis and dos.
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gcseeker2002
01-04 11:40 AM
I don't think PMP is useful in promotions......it may be helpful in getting a new job though.....but then you are limited in your career..........PMP doesn't help you moving upwards.....!
My 2 cents!
Good discussion, Just thinking what are the chances of getting job and the types of companies/jobs in the current recession market for
1. PMP certification with few technical skills
2. PMP certification with heavy technical skills
3. PMP certification with no technical skills(only PM skills)
My 2 cents!
Good discussion, Just thinking what are the chances of getting job and the types of companies/jobs in the current recession market for
1. PMP certification with few technical skills
2. PMP certification with heavy technical skills
3. PMP certification with no technical skills(only PM skills)
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meridiani.planum
07-20 03:37 AM
History does not repeat itself. The historians repeat one another.
Max Beerbohm
Sir Beerbohm was a parodist. I hope you have not taken something he said in satire and made it your life's mission statement ;)
If we are going to quote humorists, heres one that shares my view:
You must learn from the mistakes of others. You can't possibly live long enough to make them all yourself. ~ Samuel Levenson
I guess it does make life more exciting when we make decisions without thoughts to the past but I prefer learning from others experiences. Rather make new mistakes than do something stupid that 3 other people had already done.
You are of course entitled to your own views on life and debating this is perhaps of no use.
Max Beerbohm
Sir Beerbohm was a parodist. I hope you have not taken something he said in satire and made it your life's mission statement ;)
If we are going to quote humorists, heres one that shares my view:
You must learn from the mistakes of others. You can't possibly live long enough to make them all yourself. ~ Samuel Levenson
I guess it does make life more exciting when we make decisions without thoughts to the past but I prefer learning from others experiences. Rather make new mistakes than do something stupid that 3 other people had already done.
You are of course entitled to your own views on life and debating this is perhaps of no use.
hydboy77
02-12 10:05 AM
DOS and USCIS are making sure no visas are being wasted in any category whether it is FB or EB category. In this situation we cannot expect any FB visa wastage and spillover of those FB wasted visa in EB category anymore. Without the FB spillover there will not be any forward movement in EB2 during the august-september visa bulletin. Mpadapa analysis seems to be correct and is also backed by facts and numbers. With only 140k visas for EB and without any FB spillover we might actually see dates moving back and staying stagnant for EB2 india. Remember Eb2 india has never managed to move beyond April 1 2004 without the FB spillover in the last quarter.This is a terrible shock to everybody in EB2 India, I have been saying this all along that EB2 will be stagnant or move backward (because of eb3 line cutters).
My document uses similar method as used in 2007 USCIS Ombudsman report.
Here is the link to my document - link (http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p_liYSUcqZRXA9OjuWUNRag&hl=en)
Similar table can be found in Ombudsman report - link (http://www.aila.org/content/fileviewer.aspx?docid=22650&linkid=162315) Look at Page 34 ( 52 / 145 )
The numbers in my report would be off by < +/- 50 visa's because I am using published data and Ombudsman uses internal DOS data.
The bottom line is EB limit has enjoyed spillover from unused FB visas and this year it is not going to happen. In the past we have been used to EB limits of 154K (2007), 163K (2008), this year we have to get used to the original limit 140K The movement of PD of various categories would take their own coarse based on USCIS interpretation of spillover between categories.
It would be great if members can update their profiles so that IV can do a better job of estimating the forward movement using the tracker.
My document uses similar method as used in 2007 USCIS Ombudsman report.
Here is the link to my document - link (http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=p_liYSUcqZRXA9OjuWUNRag&hl=en)
Similar table can be found in Ombudsman report - link (http://www.aila.org/content/fileviewer.aspx?docid=22650&linkid=162315) Look at Page 34 ( 52 / 145 )
The numbers in my report would be off by < +/- 50 visa's because I am using published data and Ombudsman uses internal DOS data.
The bottom line is EB limit has enjoyed spillover from unused FB visas and this year it is not going to happen. In the past we have been used to EB limits of 154K (2007), 163K (2008), this year we have to get used to the original limit 140K The movement of PD of various categories would take their own coarse based on USCIS interpretation of spillover between categories.
It would be great if members can update their profiles so that IV can do a better job of estimating the forward movement using the tracker.
sanbaj
03-27 11:55 AM
Thanks Sanbaj. Do you have both applications under same sponsor? Or different sponsor? My case is: both different sponsor and on top of that now I am working for third company using AC21 -EAD. Can any complications arise?
My case was simple. Same Sponsor. Same Category EB2. You case is complex as three different companies are involved. In my understanding, which is very limited, both the approved I140s are yours to use. Whichever sponsor's I140 is applied to your AOS is that sponsor you should joing after AOS is approved. But, AC21 in your case makes it even more complex. You better get a very (interfiling) experienced lawyer to help you out in your case for just to be on the safe side. There is no point taking so much risk at this stage of this prolonged and painfull process.
Best of Luck.
My case was simple. Same Sponsor. Same Category EB2. You case is complex as three different companies are involved. In my understanding, which is very limited, both the approved I140s are yours to use. Whichever sponsor's I140 is applied to your AOS is that sponsor you should joing after AOS is approved. But, AC21 in your case makes it even more complex. You better get a very (interfiling) experienced lawyer to help you out in your case for just to be on the safe side. There is no point taking so much risk at this stage of this prolonged and painfull process.
Best of Luck.
